Gregg Thurman on Apple sales in India hit $10B - 'It’s burning in a northwesterly direction away from the population centers into more rural parts of Spokane. There were 3 major fires that have combined into one. Total acreage burnt so far >11,000 and although the winds have died down it is not yet contained. It’s going to take more than a couple of years to recover from this. The area burnt was such a naturally beautiful area.'
on Nate B. Jones: Apple is playing a 20 to 30-year AI game (video) - 'And then mining was outlawed and all the mine suppliers went out of business! No. You can’t predict long term.'
on Nate B. Jones: Apple is playing a 20 to 30-year AI game (video) - 'BTW, I need to take another sabbatical from Apple 3.0 to deal with patent deadlines. See everyone next month!'
on Nate B. Jones: Apple is playing a 20 to 30-year AI game (video) - 'Definitely worth listening to as an Apple investor. If I am getting this correct, simply put, Nate’s premise is that Apple’s lead in chips and how they interact with AI is what puts Apple at an advantage in the AI race and that advantage puts them in the drivers seat for, potentially, decades. And since Ternus works with chips, he was the ideal choice for the next Apple CEO. Seems a bit simplistic but it seems to me that, if he is correct, this puts Apple into sort of the same position that NVDA has found themselves in, whether planned or not, in terms of AI. This would seem to validate the continued long term investment in Apple that many here have made.'
on Nate B. Jones: Apple is playing a 20 to 30-year AI game (video) - 'Hi, Steven. From the long term POV some of us have, “hope” is not exactly the right word. Think of Apple as the retail store selling supplies to the gold miners – and I don’t mean just for AI! I recall, back in m concrete worker days, needing a new framing hammer. Rather than buy another steel-handled hammer, II bought a great-looking Chinese hammer with a wooden handle that was a quarter of the price. And I’d always had good use with a wooden handled framing hammer. The first day, as I was pounding in my double-headed concrete framing nails, I noticed that the hammer head, which is criss-crossed with a series of grooves to prevent slippage on the nailhead, was very quickly flattening out, because the steel was evidently not hardened. As a result, about two hours later, the inevitable happened, and that now-slippery head bent a framing nail. So I flipped to the claw side, pulled back – and the handle broke completely off right at the head! That nice-looking hammer lasted less than a day…. Gold miners need equipment that they can depend on, and that’s going to be Apple for many, many years to come. IMO. BTW, in those days, if a nail bent, we’d say “G. D. Japanese nails!”….'
on Apple sales in India hit $10B - '” You can see a Four Seasons hotel right next to a shanty town. It is a a country of great contrasts!” And very little in the way of zoning laws, except where it benefits a certain group of people.'
on Premarket: Apple was green, turned red - 'Sure, the short term cadre can gang up in the post-and-premarket just following earnings, and hold the Apple Beachball down in the quarter before earnings where Apple is direct-buying out of the open market, but that’s pretty much all they have left, and even that is slim pickings. Used to be the stampede off the AAPL cliff was good for a good 40-50% drop following the Great Recession. This last one? Maybe 10% low to high. Not much of a slingshot anymore…. Of course, on the long term investor side, the buybacks are losing their power to magnify wealth, as Apple gets closer and closer to being fairly valued. But if you’ve been on board for every double in split-adjusted valuation, then even one more double looks astoundingly good. And right now it’s clear that at least one more is in the bag in the next couple of years, and I’d guess more than that in the years ahead. IMO.'
on Apple sales in India hit $10B - 'You beat me to it… (I’m sure there’ll be home-grown competition, but I suspect the ceiling in India is higher than China because there’s less local competition.) And I’m sure someone with data/graphing skills could project ‘growth in China’ and ‘growth in India’ and predict when India sales would match/overtake China. (Yeah, prior performance does not guarantee future performance, but if nothing else, it’ll be a fun graph to see….)'
on Apple sales in India hit $10B - '“pricey devices” snark aside the India market has a very large middle to upper class even though it is a smaller portion of it’s overall population than other countries. So if Apple can deal with the Indian government and other political issues it is a great opportunity that they are focusing on. And if they can make a profitable lower cost device I am sure they would compete strongly with the less wealthy population there as well. The long term cost of many Apple devices is actually lower than cheaper devices which don’t last. One of the striking things I came away from in India is how the high and low end of the economic range are right next to each other. You can see a Four Seasons hotel right next to a shanty town. It is a a country of great contrasts!'
on Premarket: Apple was green, turned red - 'As I expected, the “falling knife” AAPL had a very short run. Nowhere to go but up from here. The lemmings are rushing in and out of the stock on a quarterly basis now, but the direction is relentlessly upwards. Why? Because the whole short trading premise is based on stampeding investors, and the cadre of AAPL long term investors is continuing to grow with each quarterly buyback. The future for Apple is just too bright.'
on Apple sales in India hit $10B - '” To put that $10 billion in perspective, Apple’s latest quarterly sales in China came to $18.8 billion.” 10% annual compound growth exceeds $18.8 Billion in less than 7 years. China sales are approaching saturation. India is not.'
on Apple-AI enthusiast Errol Brandt looks forward to Oracle's comeuppance - 'A related thought/question: It seems the Wall St consensus is that “only hyperscalers will be relevant in AI.” Given the huge investment, if they’re right, are we doomed to a oligarchy run by the hyperscaler companies? I could certainly argue that’s a possibility, where ‘everything is done by AI’ and ‘a few companies totally dominate AI’. And I saw that Palantir had incredible profits. I still think that’s the most scary Big Brother company, the kind that shows up in dystopian SF novels…'
on Apple-AI enthusiast Errol Brandt looks forward to Oracle's comeuppance - 'Robert: These are excellent questions, and I hope Mark will reply with his thoughts. I do not consider myself to have expertise on data center economics, and so like you I would really love to hear the perspective of someone like Mark who “thinks different.”'
on Nate B. Jones: Apple is playing a 20 to 30-year AI game (video) - 'It sounds good, but given his time frame – or even five years – there are so many possible disruptions that make his assumptions pointless. Apple will continue on its path and in the five year short term we will hope that it’s the right one.'
on Apple-AI enthusiast Errol Brandt looks forward to Oracle's comeuppance - 'Sending hopes for a speedy recovery Gregg. Let us know how you get on. Thanks.'
on Apple-AI enthusiast Errol Brandt looks forward to Oracle's comeuppance - 'Good morning everyone. I currently reside at South Hill Rehab, Spokane, recovering from knee replacement surgery (July 15). I live about 11/2 mile north of Spokane’s downtown in an area known as Corbin Park (founded 1898). The furthest south the fire came (and closest to my home) is about 2 miles north of me (and moving north, away from my home). The fire has exasperated an Influenza B contracted in the rehad hospital. My recovery has been delayed almost two weeks and counting because of the smoke and Influenza. I am in isolation. I haven’t seen the sky (smoke) in that period. My home, dog and partner are safe. I’ll probably come out of this with a slight limp (no rehab while fighting the Flu and smoke). I haven’t been contagious like this in decades. I had to go in for surgery to contract the Flu. Thanks for thinking of my safety. I appreciate it. Oh, BTW, in terms of structures lost, this is Spokane’s worst ever and has spawned several “sympathetic” fires. Over 60,000 evacuated so far and hasn’t been contained yet. An arson arrest has been made.'
on Premarket: Apple is green - 'Apple ended Monday trading off $5.49 at $303.42. This is a big drop from the newly minted all-time high of $344.57 reached last Wednesday. Adding insult to injury Morningstar has dropped Apple to a 2-star sell rating and a Fair Value Estimate of $285 per share. In contrast to Apple’s performance, Amazon set a new all-time high of $287.16 today and a new all-time closing high of $284.02 while rising $12.44 today and ending the day with a market cap above $3 trillion for the first time. The shares are up 22.75% over the past five trading days. Microsoft is up 25.33% over the past five days, gained $22.93 today or 4.93% to close at $487.65. The shares remain below the all-time high of $553.72 set back in October. Microsoft’s market cap now stands at $3.62 trillion versus $4.43 trillion for Apple and $4.57 trillion for Alphabet. The search giant is up just over 14% over the past five days. What a difference a few days can make when investors relax their concerns (at least for now) about the economics of AI and the capex deployments of the hyperscalers.'
on Premarket: Apple is green - 'Vertiv Holdings, a big supplier of components for data centers, reached an all-time high of $379.93 on May 14th and fell to a multi-month low of $220.92 last Wednesday on July 29th, and closed up $21.64 today or 8.96% at $263.05 today. The company also reported strong quarterly results on the 29th and the share price has responded positively over the most recent trading days. One firm just raised the company to a strong buy and a $375 price target. The reason I bring up Vertiv is because at this time I consider it primarily a data center play and the recovery in the share price is due not only to the company’s recent earnings report but also the earnings of hyperscalers Microsoft and Amazon. Perhaps investors are viewing at least three of the hyperscalers – Alphabet, Amazon and Microsoft as sound investments and some of the recent concerns about select data center product and services providers are now fading away. This relates to the pullback in Apple over the past few days. Apple was considered a safe haven of sorts for investors wary of the hyperscalers and data center-related enterprises.'
on Apple-AI enthusiast Errol Brandt looks forward to Oracle's comeuppance - 'Mark: I’ve noticed over the past several days you’ve made a number of posts on Apple 3.0 in response to blog posts or comments by members about data center economics. What is your view on today’s data center economics? Do you see significant financial risks for investors in today’s data center demand and construction activity? What do you see in terms of the pace of data center construction relative to demand? I’ve valued your views on various issues over the years and I’d like to get a clear “picture” of your informed view on this particular issue.'
on Apple-AI enthusiast Errol Brandt looks forward to Oracle's comeuppance - 'https://bushfire.io has excellent fire mapping and detailed information. The extent and number of fires across North America at the moment is staggering. I’d be off line if I were Gregg.'
on Premarket: Apple is green - 'David, Jim Cramer has been very emotional about stocks including Apple but his projections in terms of Apple stock in times were Apple stock was low or being dragged down often have had random accuracy. Despite his “hold Apple don’t trade it “ advice he is influenced by the sentiment on the street that surrounds him. When the news about Apple is negative he often thinks the stock price will drop farther than it does. Of course the drop this time after earnings is strong enough to test anyone’s patience so it could take a while for the stock to stabilize. And somehow I think the fall product line should sell well which won’t show up in this quarter as much as the next.'
on Apple-AI enthusiast Errol Brandt looks forward to Oracle's comeuppance - 'Don’t know if this is correct. Somehow in the past I’d gotten the impression that Gregg lived a bit NW of Spokane proper. And North and NW are where the fires are. So concerns may be warranted.'
on Apple-AI enthusiast Errol Brandt looks forward to Oracle's comeuppance - '@Fred The thesis of the Warren’s seaside metaphor is ineluctable. The hypothesis underlying its application to datacenter economics is less solid.'
on Apple-AI enthusiast Errol Brandt looks forward to Oracle's comeuppance - 'Here is some data that tends to pierce Brandt’s thesis on datacenter economics: https://x.com/micyoung75/status/2084036771252240410?s=20 Oracle and Larry Ellison are not representative. Singling out Oracle is easy.'
on Apple-AI enthusiast Errol Brandt looks forward to Oracle's comeuppance - 'Re: Ellison A few years ago we visited a friend in Woodside, Calif. and afterwards were driving when suddenly there was a stretch alongside the road where every leaf and loose branch had been meticulously picked up. Also, fancy guard shacks placed every few hundred feet. It was Ellison’s property. I think I told the following story previously, but it is a good one so I’ll repeat it. Steve Jobs and Larry Ellison were talking and Larry said “I own this big boat, a whole Hawaiian island, etc. etc…” And Steve said “Yeah Larry that’s nice, but I have something that you’ll never have”. Larry: “What’s that?” Steve: “I have Enough”.'


