Robert Paul Leitao on Premarket: Apple is red - 'Heading into the final minutes of trading on this first day of the holiday-shortened week and stock prices are simply misbehaving with the major indexes in the red and the DJIA off more than 1%. However, Intel is higher by 9.70%, AMD is ahead 5.60% and Apple supplier Broadcom is up 2.78% while NVIDIA is off 2.19%. Apple continues to struggle. The shares are down $3.89 at $316.08 with about 10 minutes remaining before the closing bell.'
on Needham: 'The Odds are 4 to 1 Against AAPL' - '“incapable of seeing trends before they occur, instead basing her forward views on past performances.” Incapable, or chooses not to. Same wrong results. It’s true, she is the typical bean counter (“We argue that AAPL is a single product company”). And you can’t argue with her numbers. She’s just not looking at ALL the numbers and the trends they are pointing to for the future (greater installed base, greater income from services, greater income from AI related product sales (enterprise, education, private AI, etc). In other words, she does not appear to be looking at the future at all. My guess would be that she would panic if the percentage of total revenue from iPhones were to decrease, whereas I would see that as inevitable with silicon related sales and increases in services. Note that the percentage of total revenue coming from iPhones has decreased from 63% in 2016 to 50% in 2025.'
on Mark Gurman: Tim Cook, not John Ternus, made the foldable iPhone happen - 'Really strange narrative. Tim had to go to Asia to learn about folding phones? I heard rumors that Apple was testing folding iPhones long, long ago. Which they should have been doing. Of course they test all sorts of ideas.'
on BofA sticks with its Buy rating for Apple and $380 target - 'It looks like last year the stock didn’t react much to the day of the announcement, but went up a few weeks later.'
on Needham: 'The Odds are 4 to 1 Against AAPL' - 'I agree, John. Apple’s laser focus on its users’ best interests is considered hopelessly naive by the sharks of the world. Weirdly, those very same users don’t go along with that opinion….'
on Mark Gurman: Tim Cook, not John Ternus, made the foldable iPhone happen - 'If the new iPhone is part of the Apple Upgrade program, I would expect leasing one would cost about $100 a month. I figure lots of people could manage that (Me! Me! Me! Thanks Apple stock). And the major phone companies will subsidize the shit out of it. I suspect that few of the people purchasing the new foldable will pay full price upfront.'
on Needham: 'The Odds are 4 to 1 Against AAPL' - 'There was a ride at Disney in Anaheim, CA once called “Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride”. That’s AAPL, and has been since I first began following the stock. Apple has never been without its cadre of doubters, detractors, and, yes, enemies. A big part of the reason is that Apple is unique and thus unfathomable to the run-of-the-mill. It’s part of the Apple Way, and long term investors have simply become inured to the wildness of the ride, preferring to just enjoy the inevitable accumulation of wealth.'
on Needham: 'The Odds are 4 to 1 Against AAPL' - '“ Historically, AAPL has used its FCF to buy back shares and pay a dividend, instead of investing in its business. For example, we project that AAPL’s CapX will be $130B of FCF, at a time when its hyperscaler competitors will each spend $135B-$210B on CapX, and take on debt to do so.” That presumes the hyperscalers are getting something useful for their money. They are buying land, concrete, electrical supplies and Nvidia devices. Apple is investing in true R&D.'
on BofA sticks with its Buy rating for Apple and $380 target - 'Headline, $380… buy rating, $310…what’s $70 between friends?'
on BofA sticks with its Buy rating for Apple and $380 target - 'Bill: I too think Ternus will surprise us with a Jobsian “There’s one more thing…” tomorrow. Besides “surprise” being in the event name, it would be a hella way for him to end his first keynote as Apple’s new CEO. It would also accomplish several things simultaneously: 1) reinforce his image as a “product guy”; 2) reassure Apple employees and customers that the spirit of Steve Jobs is alive and well; and, 3) earn a huge amount of earned media. What will this new product be? I have no idea – perhaps the updated home center?'
on Needham: 'The Odds are 4 to 1 Against AAPL' - 'I just don’t agree with either Needham’s hypothesis or your hypothesis that Apple -needs a server/cloud LLM-.. I think cloud LLMs will be commodities, and Apple can outsource that to those who are better at cloud computing. Rather, I think Apple is focusing on ‘edge AI’, which is (a) a bigger market (each person with an Apple device), (b) a closer fit to Apple’s expertise, (c) and an area where Apple can build and maintain a competitive edge (and therefore a revenue edge.) Certainly you can consider me a neo-Luddite, but I _STILL_ don’t have the need to talk to my devices or to talk to LLMs.'
on BofA sticks with its Buy rating for Apple and $380 target - 'I have no idea and do not care if people will “sell the news” in the days immediately ahead, or if they will buy the news. Because, barring a surprise introduction of an important new product (a real possibility given that “surprise” is in the event name), it’s all rank speculation about what the state of AAPL will be at year end. I am unaware of the existence of any correlation between whether an Apple event precipitates “selling on the news” and its stock price 3 months later. It is short term noise, as far as I am concerned, and roughly as clarifying to a longterm investor as day-drinking or watching CNBC.'
on BofA sticks with its Buy rating for Apple and $380 target - 'Meanwhile, MoffettNathanson Adjusts Price Target on Apple to $304 From $270, Keeps Neutral Rating.'
on Premarket: Apple is red - 'We approach the noon hour in New York with all four major indexes in the red. So far it’s been another sluggish day on the Street for share prices. Currently 65% of S&P 500 components are in the red. Apple supplier Corning is bucking today’s trend and is up 9.41% at $168.83. The DJIA is off 1.09% with Amgen pulling the index down. The shares are off $42.50 or 9.72% at $394.74 on a testing setback. Apple is now off $4.21 or 1.32% at $315.76.'
on Needham: 'The Odds are 4 to 1 Against AAPL' - 'Odd that Apple’s “most urgent problem,” its “key long-term problem,” and “Ternus’s hardest problem” are all different.'
on Horace Dediu: How Apple finally won the enterprise buyer's heart - 'Yikes. And, looking at the major security problems with OpenAI’s AI agents and that company’s apparent lack of concern over AI security and privacy (or even possibly aggressive opposition to either), it’s hard not to assume that at least some of the AI-bot makers are ensuring that their products will hoover up as much data of all kinds from users, whether or not the users want it or forbid it.'
on Needham: 'The Odds are 4 to 1 Against AAPL' - 'Funny. I strongly disagree with every one of those points. All of those points seem to revolve around the insistence that Apple is losing its race and competition against the hyperscalers. While failing to grasp that Apple is not in the same competition as the hyperscalers, or that Apple’s game has been turning their hardware into AI platforms as opposed to becoming the maker of what is eventually the dominant LLM* (*which is likely never to lead to AGI). And of course it’s laughable that Needham continues to harp about chip costs and profit margins being forced on Apple by the hyperscalers’ unlimited appetite for memory, as if this is a problem that is unique to Apple. Apparently we’re to believe that all other makers and brands of personal electronic devices aren’t suffering from the same problem, or that Apple’s size and supply chain excellence don’t confer it an advantage that most of its competitors lack. The chip issue is driving up costs of every class of machine that contains chips. And yet for some unknown reason Needham isn’t insisting that Ford or GM have a problem because they aren’t able to compete with the hyperscalers for memory. And then this, “Since Android is the iPhone’s primary competitor, Gemini will not maximize AAPL’s AI outcomes over GOOGL’s…” Are we seriously to believe that Apple would accept lower performance outcomes from Gemini than available on an Android phone, when there are multiple alternative models in constant development and competition with GOOG’s AI brand? And what about cost? What if GOOG charges multiple times more than is charged for a lower-power LLM that produces similar quality outcomes for most of what iPhone users are looking for? This note’s contents read like the product of a 20-year-old business school summer student asking an LLM to spit out a list of AI-related problems that Apple faces, who then hit “print” without reading it.'
on BofA sticks with its Buy rating for Apple and $380 target - 'iPhone Duo or iPhone Air Duo Came across these on some rumor site.'
on Mark Gurman: Tim Cook, not John Ternus, made the foldable iPhone happen - 'It will be interesting to see how Tim Cook’s legacy gets arbitrated by all the “historians”. I am sure that some will want to relegate him to a bean counter and not give him much credit for anything that happened at Apple. These will be the analysts that have consistently undervalued the potential at Apple to get things done. By analogy, instead of crediting Jobs with all the things at Apple under his watch, maybe we should credit all the engineers that made the products happen. Another silly title looking to grab clicks.'
on Needham: 'The Odds are 4 to 1 Against AAPL' - 'I had AI brush up my answer: Apple suffered notable internal delays, talent drains, and stumbles trying to scale its own foundational LLMs. Recognizing it was YEARS behind OpenAI and Google, Apple made a pragmatic, multi-billion-dollar pivot to license outside brains rather than lose the smartphone market. In early 2026, Apple formally established a landmark multi-year partnership with Google. Google Gemini now serves as the underlying architecture and training foundation for Apple’s newly overhauled Siri and advanced Apple Intelligence features. Apple traded model ownership for distribution, and Google traded raw technology for ecosystem scale. While Google has the technical edge, it lacks the hardware ecosystem to guarantee dominance. By embedding Gemini into Siri across more than 2 billion active iOS devices, Google instantly scales its answer layer to an audience that may never consciously open a standalone AI app. While Apple depends on Google’s 1.2-trillion parameter model for heavy cloud reasoning, it isn’t *just* running a skinned version of the Gemini app. Apple uses Gemini outputs to train its own smaller, highly secure on-device models via distillation. Furthermore, Apple routes data through its secure Private Cloud Compute framework, meaning it still controls the user experience, privacy layer, and OS integration. If Apple hadn’t chosen Google—or if Apple decides to swap Google out for Anthropic’s Claude or OpenAI in future updates (leveraging iOS’s multi-model extension frameworks)—Google risks losing the default “front door” of the internet. Ultimately, Apple bought itself time to quietly build its own AI infrastructure in the background, while Google bought the world’s most valuable real estate—the iPhone Home Screen.'
on Needham: 'The Odds are 4 to 1 Against AAPL' - 'I guess Apple made a mistake. They should have hired Laura Martin as CEO instead of Ternus. Now we are doomed.'
on BofA sticks with its Buy rating for Apple and $380 target - 'Zero chance Apple will call their flagship phone fold – the same name as their competitors.'
on Premarket: Apple is red - 'Fifteen minutes ahead of today’s opening bell Apple is now trading pre-market off $1.97 at $318 even. Meanwhile the headline story at the moment at Yahoo! Finance is titled, “The stock market’s hot streak hints at more good times ahead.” I do believe, in general, shares prices will continue to move higher based on profit growth. Any expected changes to Apple’s fundamentals?'
on Premarket: Apple is red - 'FWIW, AMZN, GOOG, META and MSFT are down about the same amount as AAPL'
on Needham: 'The Odds are 4 to 1 Against AAPL' - 'Laura Martin, Borttom Feeder Extrodinaire. She is perfect for CNBC'
on Premarket: Apple is red - 'I think this latest selloff are defensive moves pending Ternus’ KEYNOTE and product announcements. If he nails it AAPL will advance significantly. If not…'
on Needham: 'The Odds are 4 to 1 Against AAPL' - 'In hindsight Martin’s valuations of AAPL are correct, just late to the party. She is incapable of seeing trends before they occur, instead basing her forward views on past performances.'
on Needham: 'The Odds are 4 to 1 Against AAPL' - 'Whole lotta stuff in there for Claim Chowder later on.'
on Needham: 'The Odds are 4 to 1 Against AAPL' - 'Actually, at one point she DID sorta get AAPL! “Last Buy Rating: June 2022 (maintaining a Buy rating and a $170 price target based on rising lifetime value and brand value). The Downgrade: June 2025, when she and Needham downgraded Apple to Hold from Buy due to a premium valuation, slowing growth relative to peers, and an absence of an immediate iPhone upgrade cycle. She has maintained her “Hold” rating through 2026.”'
on Needham: 'The Odds are 4 to 1 Against AAPL' - 'She doesn’t get apple – never has – never will. #clueless'


