Gregg Thurman on UBS: Apple's long-term DRAM contracts may expire in June - 'Do we have any tech production managers among us?'
on UBS: Apple's long-term DRAM contracts may expire in June - 'You would be correct if you’re saying the lead time to delivery is contract signing. The key is delivery date. I think the latest production quantity could start is June. All production line, employee training and quality testing would be complete by then. You do remember that initial product testing is not done on the production line, it’s done on mini-lines (that mirror a production line, be it a component or completed product) in the R&D labs.'
on UBS: Apple's long-term DRAM contracts may expire in June - 'Gregg – I’m happy to bring everyone’s attention back to this sort of thing again. One of the great things about PED3.0 is that the hive mind tends to look further and more accurately into Apple’s future than any of the talking heads who are always offered up by the media, and they do it based on all the various pieces of information that gets gathered or brought to this venue. Good point about when the increased cost of chips may hit the bottom line. I can’t remember where I read it, but conjecture was that Apple and TSMC are already prepping for production of the M6 chip to power the macs, etc. They characterized it as the first Apple processor based on TSMC’s N2, but the article I linked above says that’s already happening, and N2P ramping is in the pipeline. Either way, it looks to me like Apple and TSMC are absolutely working hand-in-glove to ensure coordinated supply and advancements continue, when it comes to powering Apple’s product line.'
on UBS: Apple's long-term DRAM contracts may expire in June - 'Consider: If Apple releases iPhone X in October, they probably start manufacturing no later than June, right? So for Apple to do that, they’d have to have the supply chain locked down for deliveries starting in June. So when would Apple have to have the memory under contract for June? And how much lead time would the supplier need to put together that contract? I’m no expert in supply chains or in manufacturing processes for state-of-the-art semiconductors, but I have to think the lead time has to be a year or more…'
on UBS: Apple's long-term DRAM contracts may expire in June - 'But in the second half of this year it’s set to ramp up both a <new variant called N2P as well as a new node cacalled A16….Instead of repurposing an existing factory for new technology, TSMC just builds a new one. Thank you Bill. This info allows me to extrapolate when the rumored memory price increases will show up on Apple’s quarterly Income Statements. If I understand this correctly, every new fab advancement results not just in newer better chips, but also increased volume capacity as prior fabs aren’t retired in favor of new technology. TSMC, then, would be constructing new fabs in anticipation of demands for the newer technology. Being as well managed as it is, TSMC would have certainly consulted with its leading customers (among them would be Apple and Nvidia) and entered into long term contracts to support the capex necessary to build the new fabs. Apple’s current memory contracts expire this summer (June?). Ramp for the newer fabs commence as Apple starts production on FY2027 products. IMO, while price may be an issue, supply during FY2026 will not. Any price increases will be mitigated by Apple’s product mix, delivery and SALE dates. Delivery of the higher priced N2P and chips won’t be delivered in meaningful quantity until late in the June (FQ3/2026) quarter, and won’t be expensed until those new products are sold in FQ1/2027. If we, in fact, see an increase in COGS due to memory cost increases, it won’t be until FQ1/2027, thus not impacting FY2026 results.'
on Apple in India: Steady gains - 'Presumably as Apple sells more new iPhones in India there are also more used iPhones available at a lower price point for new users to enter the Apple universe.'
on Apple bear Dan Niles turns bullish (video) - 'Dan Niles positive on Apple? Then the “Tooth Fairy” has to be real. Or better yet, Denmark tells Trump they’re giving America Greenland at the end of the month. Dan Niles has been wrong on Apple for so long that he ought to just stay in his “Negative Nancy Lane” for continuity. Better yet, say nothing and take a page from Tony S. and just admit that he has been wrong on Apple.'
on UBS: Apple's long-term DRAM contracts may expire in June - 'That’s contrary to what reports about TSMC’s plans were that came out last week after their earnings, including the widely communicated message that they were increasing capex and adding more production capacity for data center chips, but not actually changing production lines from phone chips to “AI” chips (I’ll ignore for the moment that Apple is also a major buyer of their HPC chips). For example: “TSMC is already producing chips in volume at 2 nanometer (called N2), currently its most advanced node, with Apple a major buyer. But in the second half of this year it’s set to ramp up both a new variant called N2P as well as a new node called A16. The company’s business model is a little quirky. Instead of repurposing an existing factory for new technology, TSMC just builds a new one. This ensures no interruption to output and allows it to squeeze the most out of old tools and processes. In general, this means any new capacity that TSMC builds is for a new node. As a result, it has numerous fabs still churning out chips on technology that’s a decade older or more.” https://www.culpium.com/p/exclusiveapple-is-fighting-for-tsmc It was also reported widely starting last August that TSMC CEO CC Wei informed Apple executives that they’d need to accept the largest price increases in years, for chips, and that Apple’s leadership “took the news on the chin” and simply accepted that fact. Another example of sloppy reporting in which they’re choosing to ignore the widely reported facts so they can tell the story they really want to tell, for who knows what reason. Or maybe they just don’t actually keep track of what’s going on and simply don’t accept that as a reason not to present themselves as knowledgeable to clients and a gullible world.'
on UBS: Apple's long-term DRAM contracts may expire in June - 'I keep posting about Apple’s unified memory architecture (the merging of RAM and NAND) getting no response to my assertion that this is an SoC technology unique to Apple. And yet, if it is an SoC technology unique to Apple, then how do memory price increases on memory discretes, that Apple doesn’t use, cause Apple products to go up? What am I missing, and if I’m not missing anything, why isn’t there any pushback at all the price increase blathering?'
on Saturday Apple video: Steve Jobs shows his temper - 'Hi, @Joseph, Great points! I should explain that I am someone who feels uniquely & deeply protective of Steve. I came to know Steve in 1981 when I was 18 and he was 26. He became something of a big brother to me over the years. People think of Steve as harsh, bullying or cruel. But if you knew Steve quite deeply, he was nothing like that. He just cared incredibly deeply about what he was doing. What he was doing—and its service to humanity—was infinitely more important to him than anything else, including money, power, fame, etc. Steve struggled a lot because the vision that he was continually developing inside himself was so vast and beyond what any normal human being could comprehend or digest. I think he always felt alone at some level. It took me many years to understand what was happening in some heated arguments I had with Steve in 1981. When we were arguing, I was under the impression that we were sitting together in 1981. What I didn’t realize was that Steve was actually speaking to me from 1996. It took me until 1996 to understand: Finally I get it! He was 100% right 15 years ago. I couldn’t see even the surface of what he was seeing back then. I don’t disagree with you about the smarminess of these App Store developers. And there are certainly many other examples (e.g., Adobe) where Steve had fair justification to come down on someone like a ton of bricks. But I don’t think CEOs of Fortune 10 companies should ever bully or try to coerce tiny partners. (I feel the same way about U.S. presidents…) The Buddha described Wise Speech as always having four characteristics. It is: Truthful, Useful, Kind, and Unifying. As you point out, Steve’s harsh words for the App Store developers were truthful. But they were not useful, kind, or unifying. I think Steve could have made the same point instead by rallying (unifying) everyone around the shared aspiration of an impeccable, safe end-user experience. And he could have appreciated developers’ good qualities instead of decrying their shortcomings. If you are a highly visible, powerful leader, the expectations that you carry of others can have enormous force. If you expect people to be dishonest and unmotivated, they generally will become as you see them. But if you appreciate the best in them, they will aspire to become the fine people you see. (I believe Dale Carnegie popularized this concept—to “give others a good reputation.”) I think Tim Cook is very skilled at Wise Speech and understands all of this. If Steve’s life hadn’t been cut short so prematurely, I think he would have loved studying Wise Speech and would have excelled as a practitioner.. (He was a dedicated Zen Soto Buddhist.). If Steve had had a powerful, creative way to deal with his frustrations about being misunderstood, I think the world would have seen and understood him so differently—as the deeply caring, passionate, brilliant bright light of a person he was.'
on Apple in India: Steady gains - 'If there was more info about the revenue share of the India market it would be revealing. There are some tidbits here. “Smartphones priced above ₹30,000 (around $327) grew 15% year-over-year in 2025 and accounted for a record 23% of total shipments — the highest share ever — according to Counterpoint.” Here is some quick math and assumptions. I guess Apples shipments share overall of 9% comes out of the 23% of the total shipments of Smartphones priced over $327. Unless they are really selling older models at prices less than retail prices from the past. So of the approximately 35 million higher priced phones sold in India Apple sold about 13.68 million. Around 29% growth from the previous year. If that is correct it is pretty good market share growth for that category. Assembling iPhones in India is paying off in more than a few ways.'
on Saturday Apple video: Steve Jobs shows his temper - 'Hi, Jonathan. “Instead of seeing them as creeps…” Except – they were creeps. And Steve Jobs gets to take them to task for screwing over his company’s users. As a long time user AND a long time investor, I applaud that. Tim Cook is a nice guy, but he also can, and does, take people to task for screwing over the Apple user. I’m guessing he learned that from Steve Jobs…. Oh, and whoever the buffoon was who ignored Mr. Jobs’ plea and refused to shut down his live blog gets to go through history as a proven first rate asshole….'
on Apple to expand App Store advertising in March - 'Let me put it this way: One of the reasons I’m signed up for Apple 3.0 is that I don’t have to deal with ads. Put another way: I would have ZERO problem with PED advertising Apple 3.0 on Apple News as a haven for intelligent, add-free discussions about Apple.'
on Apple postcards from Davos - 'Yeah. Stephen Miller definitely has that serial killer vibe. Makes you think all the meetings are held after the sun goes down.'
on Apple bear Dan Niles turns bullish (video) - 'What do they usually say, Gregg, that the truth is probably somewhere in the middle? Watch it be $2.78! Ha.'
on Apple bear Dan Niles turns bullish (video) - '$2.82 is damn aggressive. I reviewed my own estimates and the best I can nudge them up to is $2.74. Wouldn’t mind it at all if I were wrong, but my gut is telling me it’s you.'
on Apple bear Dan Niles turns bullish (video) - 'Pretty good comments from Niles. Apple will produce its first true AI driven phone with Google’s Gemini this year. The collaboration will see Gemini as the powertrain and whatever Apple has developed as the exoskeleton. This should juice sales, as will the Foldable. I still see $2.82, roughly, on Thursday and $8.80 eps for FY 2026, both much higher than The Street.'
on Apple in India: Steady gains - 'A quick AI search says iPhone shipments grew 16% from 2024 to 2025.'
on Apple bear Dan Niles turns bullish (video) - 'This guy is dead to me … not interested in his opinion … I prefer this forum'
on Utah state symbols: Dutch oven, brine shrimp, porcini mushrooms and... Android OS? - 'Dear Above Commenters, Your remarks are TOO FUNNY! LMAO'
on Saturday Apple video: Steve Jobs shows his temper - 'I don’t feel this headline is fair. I don’t observe Steve losing his temper in any of these clips. Except for the App Store interview, I think he is showing his wit, playfulness, creativity, and unique insight into how to motivate human behavior. When his demo crashes because of all the WiFi users, he needs everyone to shut off their devices before he can finish his presentation. But he immediately realizes that if he asks anyone to log off, they are going to raise holy hell for him cutting off their blogging. So he reframes the situation as a democratic “choice” and gets playful about having everyone vote and then police their neighbors. He knows that this crowd is super ambitious and driven—and that many will likely go right back online even if they disconnect. The behavior-change strategy and delivery are uniquely Steve. He has great intuition into human behavior, a deep reverence for Apple’s products, and a playful fun way of motivating behavior. He gets hundreds of people to do something they seriously don’t want to do and making it a bit fun at the same time. He figures this all out spontaneously on his feet. In the App Store interview, Steve strikes me as very irritable. He is pissed off that developers are violating App Store privacy policies and then attacking Apple in the press. He sees the developers making themselves into martyrs of Apple’s unreasonable demands and heavy-handedness. In the past, I don’t think Steve would have gotten so combative in this kind of situation. But remember that he is really ill in this clip. He has been going through brutal chemotherapy, has lost a lot of weight, and may be in considerable physical pain. I think he could have handled the interview question more skillfully. If I were him, I would not have attacked the developers but rather talked about why Apple cares so much about users and has created the thoughtful App Store policies that it has. I would focus on the positive, noble motives of the developers rather than their deficiencies. Instead of seeing them as creeps, I would describe the developers as “learning” together with us all how to create the best possible, most impeccable experience for users. I also give Steve a lot of credit for what he did well here, given the brutal circumstances of his health.'
on Oscars: NYT's critic horrified by Best Picture nomination for Apple's 'F1' - 'In our family from 8 to 68 we all enjoyed it immensely – technically way ahead of anything else. Only watched a few minutes on Apple Vision Pro, but still impressive without spatial. And, variety is the spice of life: Apple’s ‘Tehran’ S2 and the BBC’s ‘Night Manager’ S2 and are making a big impact currently. Highly recommended.'
on Oscars: NYT's critic horrified by Best Picture nomination for Apple's 'F1' - 'Gregg Thurman said: “Ron, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that F1 was filmed in visionOS, with plans to rerelease post WWDC. If TC announces that you’ll find me at the Apple Store an hour later (and anxiously awaiting 2027 Kansas basketball).” **Gregg, the only technology enthusiasts who might want to hold off buying an Apple Vision Pro are 20 or 30 years younger than we are…and, IMO, even those folks shouldn’t wait for a lighter, less expensive model because the current product is so absolutely mind-blowing. Whether or not F1 was filmed in visionOS, you’d never regret buying an AVP. I do hope Apple announces more sports available for the Vision Pro and that Kansas basketball is among the teams that are included.'
on UBS: Apple's long-term DRAM contracts may expire in June - ' imagine when the AI market correction hits Been calling that for a while now. Sooner than later. No matter your backing, you can’t spend like a drunken sailor, without revenue for very long. OpenAI demonstrated that money CAN be made, just not enough to pay for all the capex. Altman’s AI device is a Hail Mary to keep the donor (long since passed the point of being investors) money flowing. OpenAI is going to be the mother of all bankruptcies.'
on Apple postcards from Davos - ' here’s team U.S.A.’s second string. PED, I think you give them too much credit.'
on UBS: Apple's long-term DRAM contracts may expire in June - 'How many times have we heard Apple is doomed because component X is in short supply and price is surging. Ignoring that the price rises will hurt more apple’s competitors who probably don’t have the long term deals and buying power of Apple and certainly don’t have Apple’s margins to absorb the increase. Plus even though memory is significant we don’t know if other components have been falling in price lately. Perhaps they have as Apple has been reporting higher GM. Finally, anyone else surprised that base iPhone pricing has hardly changed during this long run of inflation? Maybe Sept this year if indeed memory becomes a cost concern for Apple?'
on He shares his Apple family plan with two people wrongly convicted of murder - 'Apple “Family” plans (U.S.) aren’t really about legal family at all. They’re a small sharing group — up to six people — set up on trust. Apple doesn’t ask whether people are related, married, or living together. Each person has their own account, and one person agrees to take responsibility for the group. That leaves the hard part to us. Rules can tell you what’s allowed, but they don’t tell you what’s right. If someone uses that flexibility to help people who’ve already lost decades of their lives to a broken justice system, it may sit outside a narrow idea of “family,” but it sits squarely inside the idea of basic human decency. It’s not gaming the system; it’s choosing to act, quietly and concretely, instead of stopping at sympathy. (Apple’s family-sharing rules are largely the same everywhere, even though prices and availability differ by country.)'


