Ted Kluger on Jerry Doyle: The Street's Bull Case Is Converging Toward $400 - 'So we all agree that AAPL won’t languish at $315 for the rest of eternity? Pardon the snark, but Jerry’s gotten plenty of attention lately. Moving right along . . .'
on Jerry Doyle: The Street's Bull Case Is Converging Toward $400 - 'Best thing I did wrt Apple was tell my mother how exciting it was for Steve Jobs to come back. She bought $1000 in 1997 (and some more over the years). They were a large part of my parent’s retirement funds until they died. My brother and I got those shares when she died, forming a large portion of our retirement funds. I expect my son will get them when I die. Multigenerational wealth because of Apple.'
on Jerry Doyle: The Street's Bull Case Is Converging Toward $400 - 'Jerry forgot the original $400 target issuer Dan Ives. He beat everyone to the punch by months. Go Dan. Oh, I owe everyone an apology. I’ve been referring to Apple/Broadcom ASIC initiative as Baltric. If you tried to search that name, like me you came up with nothing. The actual nomenclature is Baltra. There’s tons on the ‘net about Baltra, the function of which is to improve wireless networking speeds and improve the supply chain. After all I’ve read on it, Baltra is coing to eliminate much of the wireless latency, and improve battery life for anything it is installed in, which is just everything Apple manufactures. So not only is Apple’s CPUs , GPUs and radios faster than competing silicon, but so to will be its networking silicon (and less expensive too). This will be especially important for the Mac mini and Mac Studio as AI servers.'
on Barron's: Nvidia's PE today is reminiscent of Apple's 20 years ago - 'Of the big tech, Nvidia is, to my knowledge, the only one organized at all like Apple. It has a very flat structure. The CEO has tens of direct reports, each devoted more to projects, not products. That is, internal organization follows technologies rather than silos based on products. There really are no product divisions found in many companies. Like Apple, it can rapidly bring together a varied group of people with different expertise to focus on a particular problem or project. Nvidia also is working to own the whole stack, as it were. It has already shown its adaptability by shifting from graphics cards to AI chips, much as Apple shifted from computers to smartphones as its main business. I suspect that it will weather any coming AI debacle because of the adaptability of its organizational structure.'
on Jerry Doyle: The Street's Bull Case Is Converging Toward $400 - '‘ I appreciate Doyle’s contributions so much more when he’s not wearing his red hat.’ I think many of us (3.0 readers) are able to look past the hat colors to glean the Apple wisdom of many posters; albeit sometimes it takes more than a little effort. So I too appreciate when posters leave their political hat behind, even while discussing the effects of politics on Apple.'
on Thesis: AI hardware grows exponentially in two dimensions. Apple devices in only one. - 'Ahh. The sigmoid function, the so-called “S-shaped curve”. Exponential until 50% penetration, then slowing down until 100% is reached (thus why the derivative of the curve peaks at 50%). Seen in a lot of marketing forcasts. Horace has used it a lot to model iPhone growth. I modeled COVID infections. It has its uses, and I expect most analysts on Wall Street rely on it to model future value. People have said that would be why Apple could not grow anymore, because the iPhone sales would saturate, based on this curve. So what did Apple do? They created a series of new S-shaped curves (ie M Series Macs and Macbooks, Watches, iPads, AirPods, etc.). Each adding to the bottom line. Something AI companies cannot do as their datacenters saturate. Then the App store and Services provide Apple with that second dimension, third, etc., dimension, which continue to grow. AI apps will add to this. The idea that AI will continue to see exponential growth through tokenization fails to see the commoditization of the token with Open-weight, on-device approaches. The author thinks that once the industry fully builds out, it will continue rent-seeking behavior by using tokens to increasing gain profits forever. I do not think that is what will happen. I think the crash will reset everything.'
on Barron's: Nvidia's PE today is reminiscent of Apple's 20 years ago - '” Barron’s: Nvidia’s PE today is reminiscent of Apple’s 20 years ago” How in bloody hell is this news worthy?'
on Barron's: Nvidia's PE today is reminiscent of Apple's 20 years ago - 'I see a forward PE of 24 for NVDA, vs 33 for Apple. It would seem NVDA has a lot of room to run. Hard to believe how much $$ is sloshing around out there.'
on Jerry Doyle: The Street's Bull Case Is Converging Toward $400 - 'Jerry’s $3,500 investment in Apple initiated for his daughter back when Steve Jobs returned to run Apple keeps going higher year after year. Geaux Jerry.'
on Thesis: AI hardware grows exponentially in two dimensions. Apple devices in only one. - '“ Hardware/infrastructure revenue growth in the internet revolution had exponential growth along only one dimension of penetration: user count” His ‘ground level’ assumption is wrong. All internet providers had/have tiers in internet services provided. ATT, Verizon, Spectrum all have tiers of amount of internet you consume (or rate of consumption) on your computer or mobile device. Most also have an unlimited tier, which providers created to gain a competitive edge. Tokens will go the same route. Right now token providers are enjoying pay-as-you-go revenue streams, just like ATT and Verizon did in the early days of cell phones. Competition will take care of that. And when you build a structure and the ground floor is not level, all the floors above it will be off.'
on Barron's: Nvidia's PE today is reminiscent of Apple's 20 years ago - 'Nvidia is following the same formula that Apple undertook back in the day with the initiation of buybacks. They also started a dividend too. Last I read Nvidia had a PE of 16 before their recent earnings report this week. Hard to believe that a Big Tech Company with a market cap of $5 Trillion would have a PE generally associated with a utility company.'
on Thesis: AI hardware grows exponentially in two dimensions. Apple devices in only one. - '“AI hardware demand, by contrast, comes from the exponential growth of tokens.” Anything new has a so-called “exponential growth” phase. The smartphone had a so-called “exponential growth” phase that started with the iPhone. Same with the automobile. No big deal. And now, the secure and private AI’s exponential growth phase is starting up. And Apple has religiously created the underpinnings for exactly that for a quite a while….'
on Premarket: Apple is green - '” Now at 321 (and counting?). ” That’s AAPL’s highest print since the July Earnings nosedive. Could this be the beginning of a breakout?'
on For Mark Gurman, the foldable iPhone is a dream come true - 'If it’s even half decent it’ll be immense.'
on Thesis: AI hardware grows exponentially in two dimensions. Apple devices in only one. - 'Taking the concept of multi dimensional seriously for a moment, the first dimension is user accounts, the second dimension is usage transacted via the account. Following the internet example, when the number of internet accounts attained saturation internet access fees began to tumble. Prices were somewhat maintained by offering faster internet access, but overall they declined. This is not good for data centers, until…. You add the second dimension: usage. Revenue is now primarily a function of how much an account uses its portal. Example: if I use my AI connection to access the 30 day weather forecast once a month, the cost will not be the same as accessing the weather forecast everyday of the month. The latter will cost 30X as much as the former (or some algorithm thereof). However, if you own the server hardware and the data sourced resides on your computer device, there is no 2nd dimension charges. However, sometimes you need to go outside of your owned data, in which case you need a data center connection. Enter Apple Intelligence. Your request is automatically shunted off to your preferred data center, while preventing requests that can be serviced locally from going to token based AI plans, unless you specifically request that it do so. In this example, the LARGER the AI user, the larger the savings. I have already read of users cancelling AI accounts because token expense is not justified by increases in workflow efficiencies. How would that same firm feel about Apple Intelligence?'
on Rotating out of Apple - 'I’d also like to know what proportion of Nvidia servers on order are being fully or substantially financed by Nvidia, directly and via SPVs.'
on Thesis: AI hardware grows exponentially in two dimensions. Apple devices in only one. - 'I wouldn’t sit still for that! 🙂 Nor for the author’s use of “exponential” growth. I don’t think you can have that in a limited population. I can’t speak knowledgeably, but my gut tells me there’s something wrong with their “analysis”. Especially considering it’s on X.'
on Thesis: AI hardware grows exponentially in two dimensions. Apple devices in only one. - '“derivative of the sigmoid” I had that once. It took a semi-complicated out-patient procedure to remove.'
on Thesis: AI hardware grows exponentially in two dimensions. Apple devices in only one. - 'This thesis is like the Field of Dreams: “If you build it, they will come.” But consumers won’t pay for all those cloudy tokens. They haven’t been. They won’t. For the relative handful who want to rent AI on that level, Apple will take its fair cut. And for businesses and a few individuals, Apple will sell the hardware to facilitate rolling your own. For a while longer, the idea of cloud-based “growth in two dimensions” will be good for Nvidia, which claims revenue and profit from server sales that it generously finances with that same revenue, creating this weird circular house-of-cards situation. But fundamentally it’s a faith-based effort now, with the few big players sitting in a quiet room holding their collective breath to avoid causing the whole jury-rigged business to come tumbling down. Meanwhile, their acolytes go out into the world pumping the genius of it all with ideas like “growth in two dimensions.” It’s so beautiful! Like the tulips that drove the Dutch golden age, but only for a little while.'
on Premarket: Apple is green - 'Apple is up pre-market $1.02 at $315.60. Index futures are mixed two hours out from today’s opening bell. NVIDIA is off 0.56% at $226.70 following yesterday’s 8.74% gain. Adobe is maintaining yesterday’s 5.73% advance pre-market and is trading up at $290.10. Apple supplier Broadcom, which rose 4.94% on Thursday is also holding its gains pre-market. The shares are up $0.50 at $372.04 ahead of the opening bell. Let’s see how Friday plays out with attention now focused on Jackson Hole…'
on Premarket: Apple is green - 'Just looking at Thursday’s numbers (as we prepare for today) and the jump in the NASDAQ Composite of 1.57% followed by a gain of 0.72% in the S&P 500 and 0.20% move higher in the DJIA. On the S&P 500, and although nearly 70% of components finished in the red on the day, Salesforce moved higher by 22.58% to finish at $252.05 followed by CrowdStrike which finished up 20.50%. NVIDIA, as reported, had a very strong share price performance, gaining 8.74% to finish the day at $227.98, on very strong quarterly results. Adobe finished up $15.68 or 5.73% in sympathy with Salesforce. Among other gainers on the day Broadcom added $15.95 or 4.49% to $371.54 and Microsoft rose $8.79 to $505.06.'
on Premarket: Apple is red - '” Apple closed on Wednesday at $313.45, up $3.55 on the day only to fall overnight and leading to a price this morning at the open of $310.55.” The entirety of AAPL’s trading since July earnings has been in a well defined channel. Like I’ve said repeatedly over the past couple of weeks, the market isn’t going to change its sentiment towards AAPL until after the new iPhone is announced along with greater SIRI AI capabilities, followed by FQ1/27 GUIDANCE at the end of October. Based a lot on what I’ve read here, on Apple 3.0 (smart group), I think Apple has pretty much mitigated the industry’s memory shortage, IN THE NEAR TERM. That coupled with higher prices (blamed on memory shortages) will result in industry leading GM% and increased EPS, not to mention higher revenue. Based solely on Apple’s July Guidance I’m forecasting FQ4 revenue at $116.150 Billion, generating $2.06 EPS.'
on Premarket: Apple is red - 'Rodney: To answer you r question. it didn’t happen. The share price drifted down over night last night (please see my post below) from a closing price of $313.45 on Wednesday to an opening price this morning of $310.55 a difference of $2.90 or 0.925%. That’s less than a 1% decline in the share price. Apple closed in the green on the day at $314.48, up $1.13 or 0.36% today and is currently trading overnight at $315.14, up $0.56.'
on Premarket: Apple is red - 'Apple closed on Wednesday at $313.45, up $3.55 on the day only to fall overnight and leading to a price this morning at the open of $310.55. The shares fell to a low of $309.40 just before 10:30am before recovering and turning green at the top of the 11am hour. The shares closed up $1.13 at $314.58. The share price is modestly in the green as we approach 10pm in the east and just traded at $315.05 per share. A lot of up and down in the share price since yesterday’s AH session, but in the end a good day for shareholders.'
on Rotating out of Apple - '@Greg, I’m sure if you check with Siri you’ll get a very concise report /s'
on Rotating out of Apple - 'I’ve done some rudimentary searches trying to suss out answers to these questions with poor results. Capacity is generally expressed as Gigawatts of power consumed with a very broad estimate of number of users per Gigawatt. I can’t make out heads nor tails of what all these reports are saying.'
on Rotating out of Apple - 'I’d like to see an aggregate subscriber capacity metric for each Nvidia server. How many Nvidia servers are in place, and how many are on order. I’d then like to see revenue generation numbers at specific average Token rates and compare those to capital expenditures. There has to be a point where capacity exceeds subscriber TAM. My gut tells me the industry will have exceeded that point this year. I say gut because I have no idea what the TAM is for data center vs on premise AI. Whatever that capacity is, it is getting smaller with each iteration of Mac mini and Mac Studio Apple releases. And what will the impact be when Apple’s Baltic powered network be on on premise AI. I have additional questions along these lines. My point is to determine at what point of subscriber usage does Mac mini and Mac Studio stop having an economical advantage. Then I’d like to know what the cost comparison (implementation and operation) is between equal sized Nvidia and Apple solutions. Poorly written questions but I think you can see where I’m going with this. Bart?'
on Apple dominated June quarter smartphone sales - 'Not having a Counterpoint subscription, does anyone have any idea what sort of turnover in smartphones there is, in terms % of total that are replaced annually?'
on Rotating out of Apple - 'fighting over .. internet search ad revenue And so far, no one has come up with an alternate way to pay for AI ‘tokens’ or otherwise pay back that gigabuck investments in AI facilities. Eventually, if there is a true value proposition (and I suspect there is), someone will figure this out. And Apple will be able to capitalize on it, adapt to it, or ‘tax it’ by connecting users to background AI.'


