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  • Bart Yee on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - '“How about the China specific AI capable market?” “China Premium AI-Capable Smartphone Sales (Millions of Units) This data directly isolates the high-end premium bracket ($600+) within Mainland China as outlined in the previous vendor breakdowns. Vendor 2025 Actuals – 2026 Est – 2027 Projections Apple 38.0M – 34.0M – 37.0M Huawei 23.5M – 26.0M – 25.5M vivo 3.8M – 3.5M – 4.2M Xiaomi 3.1M – 2.8M – 3.8M Honor 2.2M – 2.4M – 3.2M Others (Samsung/Oppo) 1.4M – 1.3M – 1.8M Total China Premium ~72.0M — ~70.0M — ~75.5M ((Apple’s portion of the China Premium market? 53% — 49% — 49% I’d say that’s still a very solid number considering the desperate moves by Chinese OEMs to expand into the premium markets to save their profitability. Whether that plays out or there will be a shakeout in 1-2-3 years remains to be seen, very dependent on memory costs helping or hurting the smaller players. Globally, Apple has similar numbers, almost half or more of AI capable smartphones sold in the next 2 years will be iPhones. The rest are split between 5-7 other vendors. The above numbers look at just current and future project sales of AI capable smartphones. What is Apple up against right now as in AI capable smartphones already operational? See the next post.))'
  • Bart Yee on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - '“the projected drop from 38 million to 34 million iPhone units is a direct result of Apple’s deliberate, strategic shift to a biannual launch schedule to combat an ongoing global components crisis. Apple’s split-release strategy and its impact on the 2026 numbers involve several critical factors: • The 2026 Split-Launch Strategy For the first time, Apple is staggering its flagship releases: -> Fall 2026: Apple is only launching ultra-premium models—the iPhone 18 Pro, iPhone 18 Pro Max, and its first foldable, the iPhone Ultra. -> Spring 2027: The standard iPhone 18, iPhone 18e, and an iPhone Air 2 are being held back until early next year. • Why this Lowers 2026 Volume (But Protects Margins) -> The DRAM Memory Crisis: The entire smartphone industry is currently being crushed by soaring DRAM and component costs. Because advanced AI features (like Apple Intelligence) require expensive 12GB RAM chips, manufacturing a lower-priced “base” phone right now would destroy Apple’s profit margins. Pushing the base model to 2027 allows component prices to normalize. -> Missing the Holiday Surge: The standard iPhone usually drives massive volume during the Q4 holiday shopping season. By shifting the standard iPhone 18 to Spring 2027, Apple is intentionally sacrificing immediate Q4 volume in exchange for a much higher Average Selling Price (ASP) from consumers forced to buy the Pro models in late 2026. -> Huawei’s Hyper-Growth: In China specifically, Apple’s volume decline is accelerated by Huawei’s massive domestic resurgence. Huawei does not face the same launch constraints this fall and is actively capturing premium market share with its own flagship lines. Ultimately, Apple’s lower 2026 numbers are not a failure of demand, but a managed supply-chain maneuver. Apple is choosing to sell fewer, much more expensive premium phones this fall rather than taking a financial hit on a base model.” ((Cook, Khan, Parekh, Ternus, and company at work managing the supply chain and memory suppliers. They seem to believe the memory supply will catch up with demand or that memory prices are unsustainably high and may / will decline as makers’ production volumes decline due to costs impacting profitability. Possibly Apple will pickup the shortfall in demand at more favorable prices?)) “using your percentages above, show me how many Apple ai capable smartphones were sold in 2025, 2026, and projected in 2027 vs non-Apple Ai capable smartphone by vendor in same years. also break out the same data just for China” Global Total iPhone Shipments (2025–2027) These figures represent Apple’s total global shipments across all models (as virtually all active iPhones in production now support or are backward-compatible with core Apple Intelligence tiers). • 2025 (Actuals): 247.4 Million units. Driven by a massive, record-breaking reception for the iPhone 17 series, particularly in China. • 2026 (Current Estimate): ~237.0 Million units. The market tracking shows an expected ~4.2% drop in Apple’s total global volume. This contraction is explicitly tied to the global DRAM memory crisis and Apple’s decision to hold back the high-volume base iPhone 18 until early next year. • 2027 (Projection): ~252.0 Million units. A strong cyclical rebound occurs as the delayed base iPhone models finally release in Q1, clearing out the delayed demand built up from late 2026 AI capable smartphone sales 2025 – 2026 est. – 2027 est. Apple 247.4M – 237.0M – 252.0M Samsung 70.0M – 88.0M – 102.0M Huawei 25.0M – 32.0M – 35.0M Xiaomi 15.0M – 28.0M – 45.0M vivo 8.0M – 18.0M – 28.0M Others 39.6M – 82.0M – 108.0M Total Global Market ~405.0M – ~485.0M – ~570.0M ((Apple’s portions by year? 61% — 49% — 44%))'
  • Bart Yee on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - 'China Premium Smartphone Sales Estimations (2025 vs. 2026) Vendor – Estimated 2025 Sales – Estimated 2026 Sales – Market Position & Context Apple 38.0M – 34.0M Remains premium leader; stable pricing on the iPhone 17 lines helped it offset a shrinking total market. Huawei 23.5M – 26.0M Rapidly closing the gap with Apple; fueled by massive demand for the Pura X and Mate 80 flagships. Vivo 3.8M – 3.5M Led by the highly rated X-series flagships; a steady top-tier competitor. Xiaomi 3.1M – 2.8M Strong premium gains via Ultra series, but hurt by strategically reducing entry flagships during component spikes. Honor 2.2M – 2.4M Finding steady footing specifically in the high-end foldable sector with the Magic V line. Others (Samsung/Oppo) 1.4M – 1.3M Samsung maintains a tiny ~3% premium niche, mostly driven by its elite flip/fold models. Total Premium Market ~72.0M — ~70.0M The high-end segment held firm despite broader economic headwinds. (In China) Key Market Dynamics Driving These Numbers • The Apple-Huawei Duopoly: In China’s premium bracket, Apple and Huawei command roughly 85% of the total market. Huawei continues to reclaim market leadership, while Apple maintains volume via high brand loyalty and narrowing price gaps with Android flagships. • The Memory Shortage Reset: Component price inflation forced domestic brands to raise retail prices. Instead of pushing mass-volume cheap devices, brands like Xiaomi and vivo redirected production assets exclusively into their premium tiers where profit margins are protected.“ So where exactly is Apple falling behind in China iPhone sales? If we are to believe the recent data, Apple has increased sales by 18-23% YoY for the first 2 quarters of 2026 on top of the huge increase in the December quarter of 2025. With Alibaba for Apple Intelligence in China now approved, that may well sustain or even accelerate China iPhone sales, tempered with any price increases. I think Martin’s thesis here is significantly dented or even disproven.'
  • David Drinkwater on Saturday Apple video: Susan Kare biography - 'Absolutely agree: a very interesting story! I wish it had been brought with more pace and enthusiasm. Good grief! This guy could make a horse-race boring.'
  • Bart Yee on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - '“in the premium tier, what growth is Apple and Samsung projected to have over the next year?” The specific growth breakdowns for each brand outline how they are taking over the high-end market: Apple: Record-Breaking Market Share • Shipment Growth: Counterpoint Research projects Apple’s overall shipments to remain broadly flat through the worst of the chip crisis, followed by a 5% growth surge. • Market Share Record: Thanks to the premium-tier resilience, Apple’s global iOS market share is projected to hit an all-time record high of 22%. • Primary Drivers: Growth is fueled by the massive replacement cycle of the iPhone 17 Pro lines. Additionally, Apple’s highly anticipated debut into the foldable market is projected to immediately capture 25% of all global foldable shipments. Samsung: Retaining the Volume Crown * Premium Growth: Samsung’s high-end Galaxy S26 Ultra and Galaxy Z Fold 8 series are driving double-digit premium growth, allowing Samsung to protect its position as the world’s top smartphone maker by volume. * Overall Trajectory: While Samsung’s cheaper A-series models are suffering from the same budget-tier pressures as Chinese brands, its high-margin premium devices are expanding. Analysts project Samsung’s premium focus will help it maintain a 24% global market share. * Primary Drivers: Growth is heavily propelled by consumer demand for advanced AI productivity features and large-screen multi-tasking capabilities. Samsung is also projected to firmly defend its premium foldable crown with a 32% market share. “how many premium ai capable non Apple smartphones are sold in china and globally in 2025 and then in 2026“ “Exact total sales numbers exclusively for non-Apple, premium, AI-capable smartphones are not broken out as a standalone public metric by major tracking firms like Counterpoint Research or Canalys. However, industry data shows global Generative AI smartphone shipments exceeded 400 million units in 2025 and are tracking toward 45% of all global shipments (approx. 485 million units) in 2026, with the premium tier ($600+) driving the vast majority of early non-Apple adoption via Samsung, Huawei, and vivo. Global Market Context • 2025 Volume: Global GenAI smartphone shipments topped 400 million units, with cumulative shipments passing 500 million by Q3 2025. Apple and Samsung combined for over 70% of this volume, leaving non-Apple brands (primarily Samsung’s Galaxy S/Z lines plus major Chinese flagships) with roughly 120 million to 130 million premium AI units globally. • 2026 Outlook: GenAI capability is expanding to cover 45% of total global shipments (projected around 1.08 billion total market size), translating to roughly 485 million total AI units. Non-Apple brands account for a slightly reduced share of the high-end mix as component/memory shortages squeeze low-margin lines and force OEMs to prioritize core flagships. China Market Context • 2025 Volume: Domestic Chinese shipments exceeded 270–280 million total units annually, where top local non-Apple players like Huawei, vivo, Xiaomi, and Oppo aggressively embedded on-device AI into flagship lines. • 2026 Milestone: By early 2026, AI-powered phones officially crossed the majority threshold in China, accounting for over 53% of all smartphone shipments in the country for the first time. Premium domestic flagships (such as Huawei’s Mate series and vivo’s X series) anchor this shift, though exact non-Apple luxury tier tallies remain proprietary to industry tracking panels.” “what are the actual numbers in China by vendor of premium tier sales for 2025 and 2026, best guesses” “Premium smartphone data (devices priced above $600 USD) in China is fiercely guarded, but market tracking from Counterpoint Research and IDC provides clear boundaries. In 2025, China’s total premium smartphone sales sat at roughly 72 million units (representing ~26% of the ~275 million total market). In 2026, a severe global memory shortage spiked component prices, causing total smartphone sales to contract. However, the premium tier remained highly resilient, consolidating into roughly 70 million units as manufacturers shifted focus to higher-margin flagship models to survive. The estimated breakdown of premium-tier sales by vendor reflects these trends: China Premium Smartphone Sales Estimations (2025 vs. 2026) Continued:'
  • John Konopka on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - 'Apple is Laura’s chew toy and she just can’t let go. Ever. LOL She reminds me of an ad I saw online somewhere There were different scenes of business people at conferences and meetings and all the dialog is the people repeating “AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI …”. It was really funny. Meanwhile: https (colon) //finance.yahoo (dot) com/technology/ai/articles/ford-hires-350-gray-beard-212805272.html The AI failures cost the company “hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars” in recalls and warranty costs. Ford says bringing back the engineers has resulted in $1 billion in cost savings in 2026. “Mistakenly, we thought that by just introducing artificial intelligence and ingesting the design requirements that we had, that that would produce a high-quality product,” Poon said.'
  • Rodney Avilla on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - 'Laura Martin’s Grandmother : J. D. You’re making a big mistake, not drilling for oil. You need to take out big loans and drill, drill, drill. J. D. Rockefeller : you’re not the only one telling me that. But I think I will go into distribution, and avoid the big CapEx spending. LM’s GM : if you’re wrong, you’ll never survive.'
  • Greg Bates on Saturday Apple video: Susan Kare biography - 'One of the most informative videos in a great series. There’s a lot here–the power of constraints, the perspective of designers who are not tech oriented, the value of simplicity. Thank you.'
  • Neal Guttenberg on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - 'Bart, Upvoted. Thanks for looking backwards on this. I picked up that she said that some can “hide” in Apple. Like it was a bad thing to do. She did seem to say that this choice by Apple is an existential threat that will lead to Apple going out of business. She seemed to skip quickly through that part of her analysis. CNBC, unfortunately, does not have good interviewers(or maybe they are limited in what they can ask that may make their guests look bad) but that is a point that someone should have followed up on during the interview. As some have said on this thread already, Apple does appear to have a model already. They are not joining the rat race(or maybe they are running in a different race, more appropriately) at this time and are watching from the sidelines. There will be losers here and if Apple is needing to get into this business, they should be able to buy up capacity on the cheap from one of the losers(as I think Gregg said earlier). But from what people are saying about the new SIRI, it doesn’t seem like Apple will be needing to do this, at least not on the scale that others are doing. Lots of different comments that I agree with on this thread that deserve upvoting. I am thinking that Ms. Martin is becoming the outlier here and more of the analysts following Apple are taking a more positive view of their future. She survives in the media by taking a contrarian view which tends to be popular on these types of shows. I wonder what her return track record is. She may do well with her other calls that her total return is decent.'
  • Gregg Thurman on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - '” That’s why she sees the “existential” bet. In AI terms, it’s hallucination.” So everybody will be accessing AI via an LLM model (whether they need it or not) hosted in a token fueled data center with no control over your own content. That’s nice.'
  • grantbbunker on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - 'per Claude, regarding an important Apple-invented technique deployed in their AFM models but not in Gemini: “Instruction-Following Pruning” comes from an Apple AI/ML research paper (with UC Santa Barbara collaboration) that predates WWDC 2026 by well over a year — the original paper was submitted in January 2025. The core idea, per the paper: instead of a fixed pruning mask applied to every input, the pruning mask is input-dependent and adapts dynamically based on the user’s instruction. A sparse mask predictor takes the instruction as input and dynamically selects the most relevant model parameters for that specific task, with the predictor and the LLM jointly optimized. In the paper’s own benchmarks, a 3B “activated” model pruned this way beat a same-size dense 3B model by 5–8 points on math and coding, rivaling a 9B dense model’s performance.” . In other words, Apple Technology in Apple Foundation Models.'
  • David Emery on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - 'I wonder what she thinks will replace phones in people’s pockets to access AI? Watches? (Apple has that covered) Earbuds? Glasses? Smart Pins? Brain implants?'
  • grantbbunker on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - 'Willfully ignorant commentary from Martin. Did she bother to read/comprehend the detailed remarks made by Craig Federighi at the Tech Talk following the WWDC-26 keynote? Why not? Apple *does* have its own proprietary foundation models that are distinct from Gemini, trained on Apple’s own data, executed by Apple’s privacy protocols and hardware (mostly — with spillover use of NVDA gpus for high demand in Pro tier), but with some training that used Gemini as a coach/sparring partner. You can bet Apple’s models will become increasingly independent and powerful over time (think of “maps”). A building is not the same as the scaffolding used to erect it.'
  • Bart Yee on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - 'Needham / Martin says: If you want to hedge or be defensive you should “hide” in Apple, wording it this way sounds like it’s a coward’s way out. It’s also been her oft repeated comment. Here’s dates where she said exactly the same thing and AAPL share price that date: July 25, 2025 exactly 1 year ago $214.76 WED, MAR 5 2025 $235 June 11, 2024 $205 September 14, 2022 $154 Here’s what her July 2025 note said going into Q3 FY2025 earnings: • We advise caution going into earnings Thursday • Do not believe that Apple can remain on the sidelines, without a clearly articulated GenAl strategy and action plan • Apple 1-2 yrs. behind competitors – any plan will be expensive to catch up through higher costs to P&L and higher CapX From below video’s transcript: “There’s real existential risk here, because there are two players, 2:38 iOS and Android. And if Android is going to integrate all of the latest Gemini and 2:46 generative Al tools and features, the next time you replace your iPhone, a year from now, two years from now, three years from now, that Android 2:55 ecosystem is going to have more and more cool stuff in it. And then Apple starts losing its installed base. And I would 3:03 argue that Apple’s a single product company, that iOS, owning that iPhone is what makes you buy the watch or the tablet or the Mac, that those are upsells 3:12 to the iPhone and services is 100% reliant on the iPhone being owned. So anything that threatens iPhone replacements or 3:21 growth threatens actually the entire value of this company. So it’s unfortunate for Apple, bad luck, that the guy that’s integrating generative AI first over at Google also owns Android. Android is gonna rush ahead here.” https://youtu.be/y1V-SJfYlGo?is=5c6IXiYde-_nvboA Well, one year return for AAPL is…50.5%. From Sept 2022 more than a double. One year return for Google/Alphabet GOOGL is…only 65%. AAPL is right at an all time high, while GOOGL is off its ATH by almost 21%… Android sales (yes, most heavily hit will be cheaper Androids that can’t even run AI and its users at those price tier don’t much care about AI) forecast to drop by 20%. Here’s Gemini: “The broader Android smartphone market is projected to face a steep 20% year-over-year drop in shipments. This is part of the largest overall contraction in smartphone history, with global shipments expected to slide 13.9%.” 1. Budget and Entry-Level Tiers: Hardest Hit • The Impact: Shipments of devices priced under $400 are forecast to collapse by 22%. • The Extreme Low-End: Devices priced under $100 to $150 are contracting by roughly 31%, and analysts warn that some models in this bracket may disappear from the market entirely. • The Cause: Low-end phones have razor-thin margins. Memory components that used to make up roughly 31% of a budget phone’s material costs now eat up as much as 64% of the total budget. • Affected Brands: Budget-heavy Android brands are feeling the brunt of this decline. Counterpoint Research notes massive shipment drops for manufacturers like Transsion (-32%), Xiaomi (-28%), and Honor (-20%) 2. Mid-Range Tier: Moderately Strained • The Impact: Wholesale smartphone prices jumped an average of 14% at the start of the year. • The Consequence: To survive the component price hikes, Android manufacturers are scaling back on promotional discounts and pushing mid-range retail prices upward. Consumers are largely rejecting these higher price tags, leading to double-digit retail sales drops in heavy Android mid-range markets across Southeast Asia, India, and Africa. 3. Premium and Ultra-Premium Tiers: Insulated from the Drop • The Impact: In stark contrast to the budget sector, premium smartphones priced above $400 to $800 are forecast to grow by 4% to 5.7%. • The Cause: Expensive flagship devices possess high enough profit margins to easily absorb surging component costs without gutting the manufacturer’s economics. • The Outliers: Market leaders like Apple and Samsung’s premium lines are heavily protected. For instance, Samsung’s high-end Galaxy S26 series is tracking 13% ahead of its predecessor, despite a slight dip in Samsung’s overall volume due to its cheaper phone segments.'
  • Stephen Gordon on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - 'Apple has been doomed for years, and somehow it survives.'
  • Chris De Armond on Inviting friends of the blog to Apple’s Q3 2026 Earnings Smackdown - 'PED: Thursday, July 30'
  • Fred Stein on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - 'Oops. I got it wrong. It’s called over-fitting, not hallucinating. “Overfitting occurs when an AI model learns the training data too well, memorizing its exact details and random noise rather than the underlying patterns. While it achieves near-perfect accuracy during training, it fails to make accurate predictions on new, unseen data.” Psychologists call it confirmation bias, applied to humans.'
  • Chris De Armond on Saturday Apple video: Susan Kare biography - 'I enjoyed the fleshing out of her background and career after having been introduced to her and her work in David Pogue’s book APPLE. I recommend the book and the time to view this article. I’ve also had the same thought about scrolling the length of previous posts.'
  • Fred Stein on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - 'Yes, Michael. She is an ‘iPhone counter’. She has actually said that Apple is essentially an iPhone company. And went further predicting that cloud-based AI, both agentic/inference and frontier/foundation, will obviate the need for Apple’s powerful, easy-to-use devices. That’s why she sees the “existential” bet. In AI terms, it’s hallucination.'
  • Daniel Albaugh on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - 'She’s building her case for OpenAI to buy Apple in 5 years time.'
  • Michael Goldfeder on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - 'To the list starting with Rod Hall, Tony S., Pierre Ferragu, you can now include Laura Martin. She probably still counts iPhones as part of her scintillating analytical research. All Lemmings walking off the cliff just as Apple portrayed in one of their many earlier commercials. They all went the way of the buffalo.'
  • Jeff Daniel on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - 'She put a hold on Apple last June when it was $201. Enough said about her accuracy.'
  • Gregg Thurman on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - 'Apple won’t need to develop its own LLM AI, not in the sense of what we think of “develop” anyway. LLM AI, as a sector, will have devolved into a commodity. In a few years there will a flood of startups that couldn’t make scale, but were very good at what they did, and being auctioned off. As is Apple’s strength it will acquire 2 or more of these also rans polish them up with Apple’s vision and reintroduce them as Apple’s version.'
  • Daniel Epstein on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - 'I like Philip’s take. “My take: Martin has been wrong on Apple for years, and yet somehow she survives.” She has been one of my contra indicators of the analyst crowd. Why she survives is a mystery.'
  • Gregg Thurman on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - 'On reflection it appears that Laura’s downgrade of AAPL wasn’t wrong, it was just late by about 6 months. When Laura’s downgrade hit the street, AAPL already begun a run that was near parabolic. There is nothing in Laura’s history that suggests she is a futurist. That’s important because in every case, investors are buying the future. All of her prognostications are based on the most recent 6 – 9 months of prints. I’ll bet she’s fun at the Company’s Christmas party though.'
  • Hap Allen on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - 'I missed this one: Apple Intelligence = A. I. Duh…'
  • Fred Stein on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - 'How ironic. Apple is NOT ‘betting the farm’. Others are, going negative on cash flow for over $T on this ‘winner take all’ bet. But it is not winner take all. Instead Apple ‘expensed’ their AI software, and chip R&D for over a decade. Better yet, about 2 years, customers started buying AI capable devices – about $600B so far.'
  • Greg Lippert on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - 'She’s f’in wrong. First off, I am using the Public Beta on my iPad and the new Siri is a revelation. I keep finding amazing ways she can tap into my files, messages, and find and organize things for me. Whether it’s on device or in cloud, that’s what I’m looking for. And now Apple is delivering. And that’s what consumers are going to want. If Apple is delivering that at a fraction of the CapEx, and protecting my privacy, it sounds like a home run.'
  • Steven Philips on Laura Martin: Apple's existential risk - 'Laura, Laura, Laura: Maybe it’s the others who actually ARE betting the farm that they DO need their own AI models. The croupier is standing by to rake up their “chips”.'
  • Rick Povich on The day PC Magazine fired John Dvorak - 'Good call!'