Adam Foster on KeyBanc cheers Apple's monetization push - 'Who saw the Apple ad for Pluribus on a Samsung Refrigerator?'
on KeyBanc cheers Apple's monetization push - 'I’m totally fine with ads in my Apple News+. I just scroll past them. Big deal. I’d also be fine with ads in Apple Maps. (Sadly, we use Google Maps almost exclusively, though, for Car Play navigation — and even for Street View when scoping out locations at home…as Apple’s “Look Around” feature has big gaps in coverage.) Not sure exactly how ads in Apple TV will be implemented but that, too, will likely be something to which I would not object. The major upside, of course, will be the incremental increase in Services revenue, which may, over time, prove to be significant.'
on Wedbush's Street-high $350 Apple target is nearly $100 above the share price - 'Then a change of administration and an ill informed Trade & Tariff War with a poorly thought out assault on our biggest trading partner, decimating markets and bankrupting farmers, enhancing and growing competitors nations, and for what? Little to no change in trade deficits and tariffs, because US companies embrace cheapest sources of their products. And then there was the bungling of the pandemic, undermining of science, watching over a 1.2 million Americans die, 3.6M made ill, and still dealing with its aftermath. It took another administration 2+ years to deal with post pandemic upheaval and again, restabilization of the US and world economies, hand that off to the current administration who has grandiose plans to lower food prices, lower oil and gas prices, bring back manufacturing, and raise American prestige back from the 2016 administration’s debacles. Or at least piss off everyone equally and don’t care. Are we winning yet? No? Meat prices doubled, grocery prices STILL high, tariffs still a 10-20% unrepresented tax on consumers, gas prices and oil at 3 year highs, (was $3.72 avg. mid March, highest since Oct. 2023, now AAA reports $3.97, vs 1 yrs ago $3.15, a 26% jump) above the previous administrations, world oil, gas, helium supplies disrupted, another war a republican administration has started to deflect from domestic or political issues with no exit strategy or clear outcome in sight, plus billions in unfunded military expenditures adding to already rising national debt yet again, etc. etc. etc. All again to pummel markets, transfer wealth to rich players (follow the money and the grifting) while the average family sees their nest eggs shrink, their buying power cut, and personal freedoms curtailed if you’re not the right group. AAPL has suffered time and again under these situations, yes, some of it their own doing, but more externally than their business models and successes would imply or result, especially recently. Today, by dropping below $250, AAPL is now approaching -14% down from all time highs reached twice in the last 2 years despite being “late to AI or not spending enough” while now market seeing that maybe Apple’s strategy got it right. The Nasdaq has already entered into -11% Correction territory, as is the Dow too -10% exactly and S&P500 -9%. The only solace is that 2024 AAPL went from $223 to dropping to a $174 April low when Tariff War was restarted, so our 1 year YoY comparison will still look good, yay! /s We were told Repubs want less government in our lives yet it appears this admin wants government to run our lives, to intrude in and dictate our behaviors and actions, how we can vote, and to directly affect our and our investments’ financial well being as some form of blind loyalty, egotistical dictatorial control and patriotic strutting.'
on Wedbush's Street-high $350 Apple target is nearly $100 above the share price - 'Long rant, TL:DR if needed. If anyone hasn’t noticed, a number of us like me haven’t submitted an April 1, 2027 price target contest guess or prediction. I like to work up a prediction based on what I think Apple can do with regards to its business model: hardware, software, services, design, anticipatory strategic and tactical moves regarding production, sourcing, marketing, and the reception and sales of all the above, in a reasonably stable if not growing macroeconomic environment. Domestically and worldwide. You know, how a business is run, how it takes advantage of its strengths, how it mitigates its weaknesses, and how it competes vs its competition. A company like Apple should be valued in its merits. Worldwide regulatory and legal issues are common obstacles that Apple has had to deftly address. Periodic, almost predictable geopolitical issues come and go which directly affect Apple’s business market AND its business results. But nowhere have I seen and witnessed how one party, one group, one ideology and then one person has so fucked up markets, economies, consumer sentiment, business sentiment, investor sentiment, domestic and worldwide trade, and sown so much UNCERTAINTY so consistently. It seems science and economic theory, research, and history are upended and ignored in pursuit of some kind of ultimate ideological control over individuals where parts of the populace are stripped of fundamental rights and now economic predictability and strength. In short, chaos and personal retribution politics and economics has taken over running domestic and international policies, trade, regulation or deregulation, and roiled markets everywhere so that, IMO, one guy (I’ll decline calling him a man), one project 2025, one group who has seized and consolidated power, can almost seemingly randomly run roughshod over everyone else, including the population of the United States, and worldwide. There’s no way to guess where AAPL will be in a year, because no matter how great M5/M6 chips will be, how advanced and how well the latest bleeding edge 2nm A20 powered iPhone 18, Air, Pro & Pro Max, iFold, latest Mac’s, Mac Neo+, Vision Air, iPad Fold, and any host of other Apple innovations come about, the company and stock price can be dragged down by completely external forces and sentiment, plus real economic damage, because of the above one guy, group, ideology, economic mismanagement, and multiple pivots between international, trade, tariffs, domestic, international, regime changes, disregard for the law OR Constitution, and anyone who even protests, as is our right, is summarily labeled an enemy of the state, and then hounded by legal threats and “prosecution” or rather state sanctioned harassment, unlawful seizure or deportation. The same has occurred with US residents and citizens without regards to formal due process nor legal recourse. What has that gotten us in regards to AAPL? 2007-2008 recession due in large part to deregulation of financial institutions and inherent greed of people and companies prying money away from normal people, investors, and banks, and getting while the getting was good, and suffering little to no repercussions, while taxpayers footed the bills to restabilize the banking systems and markets. It took the better part of 8 long years to rebuild the economy, restore trust in the US, stabilize the world and see economic growth again, along with AAPL share price growth.'
on Apple quietly pulls plug on 'cheese grater' Mac Pro - 'I don’t believe I ever saw one of these in the wild… or even at an Apple Store. Had the original cheese grater as a file server running OSX Server 10.5. Brilliant setup that served us crash free for a decade. The MacPro was on borrowed time since the M1. Sales must have flatlined from the introduction of the Studio, with use cases requiring expansion slots becoming too niche.'
on Wedbush's Street-high $350 Apple target is nearly $100 above the share price - 'I think cats have a shared common sense of purpose. It’s just not one we agree with.'
on KeyBanc cheers Apple's monetization push - 'OK, I have been critical of Apple’s moves, most recently adding ads to Maps. The ads are when I don’t use Apple news, and rarely read news items on Apple Stocks. But if Nispel thinks it’s a good idea, then now I definitely think it’s Apple going in the wrong direction.'
on Wedbush's Street-high $350 Apple target is nearly $100 above the share price - '” No new populations to reach out to.”” I disagree – strongly. There is no competition in the Spatial market. Apple securing multiple high value sports broadcast rights are ideally suited for Spatial viewing, as are movies and live events such as concerts. Apple Intelligence, provided we get the SIRI we’ve all been waiting for, will position Apple as the gateway to AI, no matter the vendor. All of the above will increase subscription revenue The iPhone 17e and Mac Neo should do their job by expanding Apple’s presence in the low end of their respective markets. When Apple sells an Apple Vision Pro, an iPhone 17e or Mac Neo to a switcher, Apple is increasing Services revenue with products (AppleCard, Apple Pay, Apple Finance, 100% original, award winning, movies) the competition can’t compete against. These are all markets that Apple is under represented in, and they are huge.'
on KeyBanc cheers Apple's monetization push - 'Not I. Ads suck on anything I pay for. I’d rather maps become ad free as part of Apple One'
on Wedbush's Street-high $350 Apple target is nearly $100 above the share price - '” Lina Khan” Was the Trump of the Biden Administration, and in his own way almost as dictatorial within the White House as Trump is throughout the government.'
on Wedbush's Street-high $350 Apple target is nearly $100 above the share price - 'From a consumer point of view I could see some people postponing a new computer/device purchase in order to conserve cash for gasoline purchases but it is not clear that would be the first or most important way they would conserve funds. Eating out, going to the movies, travel seem much more likely places that would suffer with high energy prices first. So I think Apple’s prospects for sales revenue growth or shrinkage should not be as close a correlation to the price of oil, gas etc. as for some other companies as recent trading has exhibited. As for Wedbush’s price target and the gap between the current price being large that would normally be a buy not just an “outperform” “Maintains Outperform rating and $350 price target.” So I give kudos to “Ives” for sticking with the price target but question what would be a buy for an investment return in his view. Of course when he made the $350 call the stock price was probably higher than it is today. As many of the price targets were made pre Iran war. Most analysts didn’t include that in their calculations although recent price target changes might. These analysts get no respect. Many for good reasons.'
on Marques Brownlee: Apple's new laptops are putting Microsoft on notice - 'I didn’t find this video as devastating but it did point out the problems that Windows laptops, especially at the low end, now have to deal with. He seemed to be saying it can be done but since there are so many moving parts and pieces in putting a good cheap laptop together, that it can be a problem going forward. And MSFT may be at the forefront of the problem. But getting all the components to play nicely together may also be a problem, especially since no one controls the whole process.'
on Wedbush's Street-high $350 Apple target is nearly $100 above the share price - 'For me, there is too much uncertainty out there in the markets today. I had sold some Apple earlier this year to bring up cash reserves and planned to sell some more later in the year, hoping for the price to increase. At this point, I decided to sell some more yesterday because I just don’t get a good feeling that this is going to be a short war and wanted to keep some extra cash on hand so I don’t have to sell any other assets at potentially distressed prices if this war goes into overtime. I don’t like the present administration because of the uncertainty that they bring to the table, not knowing what the rules are going to be from one week to the next. But I think David (and others) also pointed out how we don’t know how the Democrats will respond if they get back in power. Will they over regulate, pick the likes of a Lina Khan as an administrator. So I see risks no matter who is in power. However, I think the present administration, at least to me, seems to be on the wrong side of things.'
on Wedbush's Street-high $350 Apple target is nearly $100 above the share price - '”* But frankly, the Democrats still have Lots of Ways to screw up the mid-terms, and I have low confidence they’ll avoid serious mistakes/misreading of the electorate.” On this I am in total agreement with you. Leading what is euphemistically called a Party is like herding cats.'
on Wedbush's Street-high $350 Apple target is nearly $100 above the share price - 'The world’s dependency on oil is all the more reason to neutralize Iran’s ability to deny the flow of it to the world. This action is late in coming. We are paying the price today for not taking action in prior years/decades. Instead we gave Iran the time to build a military to make this action more expensive than it had to be. There has been no forward thinking involved concerning Iran’s growing military prowess. It wasn’t like Iran hid its intentions. Supporting every anti west terrorist group should have made Iran’s ultimate goal very clear. Western leadership just found it more expedient to kick that can further down the road, than to deal with it.'
on Wedbush's Street-high $350 Apple target is nearly $100 above the share price - '“ Yes, it really is astounding. Who knew that when you blow up a gas plant, it takes more than a week or two to bring it back on-line??” Exactly. We are so used to ordering things on-line and having them show up in a day or two that it feels like we don’t have to wait for anything. Actually, as most on this forum are aware, it takes quite a while to rebuild major infrastructure. Even if the Iran war were magically stopped tomorrow it would take us years to recover the production of the various industrial inputs that are sourced from that region. Sulphuric acid is an important industrial chemical. Sulfur itself is virtually free as it is a byproduct of various processes, yet if the sulphuric acid plants near Iran are destroyed it will still take years to replace them. The Francis Scott Keyes bridge in Baltimore was destroyed in one day by a tragic accident in March 2024. It was supposed to have been replaced by 2028. That date is now 2030 and costs have more than doubled.'
on Premarket: Apple is green - 'House Speaker Mike Johnson rejected a Senate-passed bill to fund the Transportation Security Administration and most of Homeland Security on Friday afternoon, saying he plans to vote on an alternative. House Republicans were angry that the Senate’s measure didn’t fund Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Border Patrol, which Democrats refuse to fund without changes to immigration enforcement practices. (from APNews dot com)'
on Wedbush's Street-high $350 Apple target is nearly $100 above the share price - '@Gregg Good points. I’m trying to absorb ISM more and more in my thinking. I’m not so much trying to negate what Mr. Ives is saying as pointing out some variances between his price target and some facts on the ground. Usually things like this are worthy of further inspection.'
on Wedbush's Street-high $350 Apple target is nearly $100 above the share price - 'Apple’s future gross margin prospects got a big boost from Google’s TurboQuant yesterday. Because Apple controls nearly the whole stack in its products, I believe it will be an early adopter of TurboQuant. Somehow I can’t imagine that Apple and Google haven’t been working together on this project (Google as the developer with Apple a major customer with major R&D chops). Where Windows/Android purveyors rely totally on others for their off the shelf components, Apple is relying less and less on outside suppliers/vendors. Why is this important? Google as the developer of Android gets advertising revenue from its adoption. It’s gets no direct revenue from the sale of Android. MSFT sells Windows to all comers and may charge more for its next iteration, that improves memory throughput (thereby lowering Wintel manufacturer’s COGS).'
on Wedbush's Street-high $350 Apple target is nearly $100 above the share price - '”The P/E is already in the mid 30s.” I think you have to put ISM (Investor Sentiment Multiple) into context before we judge a multiple as too high. Sentiment is motivated by revenue and gross margin change expectations. Higher revenue/gross margin expectations cause higher sentiment. The reverse of that (lower revenue/gross margin expectations) is lower expectations. Macro events/conditions heavily influence expectations of industries and sectors. Getting back to today. Technology firms, with their higher rates of growth (constant introduction of new products) and higher gross margins than do automobile manufacturers, agriculture, housing, utilities, energy, generate higher multiples, and deservedly so. In these industries an ISM of 25 would be high. For innovative technology firms an ISM of 30 is low. Frankly, looking at Apple’s future potential (the basis for all investments), I’m surprised AAPL’s ISM is so low, until I look at the macro issues of having a clown in the White House and a war in Iran, neither of which are going to last much longer.'
on Wedbush's Street-high $350 Apple target is nearly $100 above the share price - 'But the original post said is totally dependent on Trump’s defeat That’s different from (a) continuing chaos or (b) an implication that things will automagically change in Jan 2029. It could well be the next 3 years will continue to enlarge the huge hole we’re in already. Or it could be that the worst of the damage has been done, and the likely Congressional change-over* will prevent much further damage. If the latter, would the system start to heal itself? Other wild cards, like Putin, Xi, “Supreme Leader Jr,” and Bibi can still substantially screw things up. AND how is the departure of Trump directly coupled to AAPL stock price? That’s really the part I don’t get. * But frankly, the Democrats still have Lots of Ways to screw up the mid-terms, and I have low confidence they’ll avoid serious mistakes/misreading of the electorate.'
on Wedbush's Street-high $350 Apple target is nearly $100 above the share price - 'Yes, it really is astounding. Who knew that when you blow up a gas plant, it takes more than a week or two to bring it back on-line?? Oh. Everyone, that’s who. Except, apparently all of the people ordering the blowing up and most of the people talking about where markets and stocks are going. More and more academic economists are predicting a recession in the USA that will officially begin this Fall (because of the definition of recession requiring two consecutive quarters economic retraction – meaning the pain and path have already started).'
on Mark Gurman: Apple granted iPhone designers anti-poaching stock options - 'Wow! Apparently things are going well for people in Cupertino!'
on Mark Gurman: Apple granted iPhone designers anti-poaching stock options - 'These stock incentives are normal for the industry and the geography. For perspective, Refin says; “The median sale price of a home in Cupertino was $3.2M last month, up 33.4% since last year.”'
on Wedbush's Street-high $350 Apple target is nearly $100 above the share price - 'The head of Europe’s central bank just said financial markets don’t understand what they’re in for. This is Christine Lagarde saying the damage is already done. Most people have absolutely no idea. Here is what she actually said. Iran closed the Strait of Hormuz. That chokepoint carries 20% of the world’s oil and gas. Markets shrugged. Investors assumed it would blow over. Lagarde told The Economist that technical experts are not talking about months for recovery. They are talking about years. Helium travels through the Strait of Hormuz. Helium is not a balloon gas. It is the invisible ingredient inside every advanced microchip on earth. Qatar supplies 35% of the world’s commercial helium. Qatar’s facilities have gone dark. Spot prices have surged past $450 per thousand cubic feet. Most chip fabricators carry less than three months of inventory. The world is building AI data centers at record speed. The raw material that makes the chips possible is now scarce. —————————————- This is very concerning. Much of this is replaceable. We get helium from natural gas which we produce in the US. Sulphur is the main component of sulphuric acid and sulphur is very abundant. Urea is produced from natural gas which the US has a lot of. However, it takes a long time to build the plants that can produce these and other commodities. It looks like we are in for a rough ride.'
on Wedbush's Street-high $350 Apple target is nearly $100 above the share price - 'Assuming this is a one year target it seems too high, unless he has some special justification. Perhaps new products will drive new revenue? The P/E is already in the mid 30s. Apple is unlikely to grow fast enough to earn a higher P/E. Organic revenue growth can drive earnings up a moderate amount. Share buybacks will reduce share count. Combined this might drive the share price up maybe 20%? Give or take a healthy delta. $350 implies about a 40% growth. I’d like to see his reasoning for that. Using a very broad brush: Apple already has access to almost all users. No new populations to reach out to. It would seem that each user is already maxed out as to how much per year they can pay Apple (more or less). The only other option I see is for new products to drive lots of new revenue. What would that be? AI is a big question mark. As yet, people don’t seem to be willing to pay very much for it and free versions abound.'
on Premarket: Apple is green - 'Listening to CNBC moan today about the miserable 7 action the one really useful thing to me is most of the price action is in sync with the Iran situation over the last month or so with additional company specific issues modifying the action. Apple’s good news during this time has limited its stock price fall compared to the other Mag 7 negative news or opinions exacerbating the other companies stock pullbacks. And I have always wondered why people would think these large market cap companies would trade in the same direction when the businesses had many different aspects.'
on Apple quietly pulls plug on 'cheese grater' Mac Pro - 'Way back when, shortly before this design was released there was a leaked image of one of these on a MacRumors forum. Maybe a week or so before the announcement someone posted a photo of a then current MacPro with a cheese grater clumsily strapped to the front. We all thought it was a joke. Good times.'


